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  • #16
    Re: ''Rubber sleeve'', very anonymous.

    Originally posted by DaHorse View Post
    What pisses me off more is, that on every box i recieved from ILF/UPS, there was my mobile phone number at the adress label...

    I mean, what for !?!? If i am not at home, UPS shows off 3 times anyway, they leave a note at my PM box and IF (I-F !!!) something is still not running, i can track the box, notice where the next service center is and then ring up that place.
    That sucks but as a man whos had a (albeit domestic) corporate account with UPS, I know a contact number was required by the carrier (which they chose to apply to the box for the ease of their workers)

    Privacy - not so much. But UPS is about volume.

    ILF likely has little to do with it and little control over it even if they did make an issue out of it.

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    • #17
      Re: ''Rubber sleeve'', very anonymous.

      I think, ILF has something to do with it. They prepare the boxes for shipping, so, for some reason, ILF makes it possible to have my phone number on there. The question is - why ? And how can/should it be fixed ?

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      • #18
        Re: ''Rubber sleeve'', very anonymous.

        Originally posted by DaHorse View Post
        I think, ILF has something to do with it. They prepare the boxes for shipping, so, for some reason, ILF makes it possible to have my phone number on there. The question is - why ? And how can/should it be fixed ?


        I don't know how to truly prove it to you without showing you but no, youre wrong.

        With a corporate account you get a template YOU HAVE TO USE. That sticker you see is generated in whole by UPS. We (whomever the shipper) fill in a bunch of required blanks, one of those (for us at least) was CUSTOMER CONTACT NUMBER. If you don't fill in that box, it won't generate the label and you cannot ship. Simple as that.

        Yes, ILF GIVES UPS the information but THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO SO IN ORDER TO SHIP WITH UPS.

        UPS requires all shippers to do this and to use their predetermined forms and sometimes even paper! (certain parcels required we buy their "approved" sticky backed labels)

        UPS does this for efficiency. Same reason your contact number is on the box, it's easiest for them to read it off a "found lost package" than database somewhere.

        Stinks for you but not enough people have made a stink enough for them to rethink it.
        Last edited by flyingblind; 12-12-2012, 08:42 PM.

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        • #19
          Re: ''Rubber sleeve'', very anonymous.

          That explaination makes sence !

          It was just a bit bizarre, when talking about privacy, at something like a adress label, there is almost my whole CV and the label says "rubber sleeve" (which i also have had at my MILF Hunter from the US) - but things are cleared now

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          • #20
            Re: ''Rubber sleeve'', very anonymous.

            Originally posted by DaHorse View Post
            That explaination makes sence !

            It was just a bit bizarre, when talking about privacy, at something like a adress label, there is almost my whole CV and the label says "rubber sleeve" (which i also have had at my MILF Hunter from the US) - but things are cleared now
            Glad it makes sense now. :-)

            Side note: Glad you finally got your MILF hunter. I truly want everybody to get every sleeve and accessory they want. Universal access for all. And you were really "hunting" that thing yourself so Im glad it was a success.

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            • #21
              Re: ''Rubber sleeve'', very anonymous.

              I am redirected to the .eu domain, and that is where I find this info at the top promising me something that is not true.

              It says
              ''What does the package look like?
              All orders are shipped in a plain, cardboard box. The shipping label will identify the shipper as "FLI S.L." and will not reference "Fleshlight.com", "Sex Toy" or any other identifying description related to products designed for adults.''

              I cannot find any references to any exceptions on this.

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              • #22
                Re: ''Rubber sleeve'', very anonymous.

                Originally posted by Slim View Post
                I am redirected to the .eu domain, and that is where I find this info at the top promising me something that is not true.

                It says
                ''What does the package look like?
                All orders are shipped in a plain, cardboard box. The shipping label will identify the shipper as "FLI S.L." and will not reference "Fleshlight.com", "Sex Toy" or any other identifying description related to products designed for adults.''

                I cannot find any references to any exceptions on this.
                I think this proves ILF's point, not disprove it.

                Mine don't reference sex toys, Fleshlights, or anything of the sort. It says Rubber sleeve. You know it to be a sex toy because thats what you bought.

                Seriously, If I walked into Walmart, an Appliance Store, or a Pharmacy and asked where they sell the rubber sleeves, not a soul is going to say to me "Sorry, we don't carry sex toys, fleshlights, masturbaters, etc) At worse they ask me to explain what I need further in which case Id know that they don't carry it. (since its an either you know what Im talking about thing or not)

                Im sorry some people feel they've been violated, I really do. But its mountain out of a molehill truly.

                And I say again, if you are in a situation that requires a level of privacy most companies cannot REASONABLY accommodate, you need to figure out other arrangements. A PO box, discreet neighbor, send to a friend and get from them, something.


                *edit* You know what, Im doing this. I've got some errands to run at these types of stores (no appliance tho) over the next few days so Ill try and ask for "rubber sleeves" when Im there. Ill report back my findings and if I was arrested for public ludeness/indecency. :-P
                Last edited by flyingblind; 12-13-2012, 06:41 PM.

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                • #23
                  Re: ''Rubber sleeve'', very anonymous.

                  Originally posted by Slim View Post
                  IRRabbit it is not about whether I care that someone can figure out what is inside. For this thread it is more the fact that their information on this issue is pretty misleading.
                  I don't understand what is misleading.

                  You make an assumption on what they WILL DO by what they say WILL NOT. These are two totally unrelated things.

                  Example:

                  I WONT go to the grocery store today = Im not going to the grocery store.
                  It says nothing as to whether Im going to the gym, the bank, the laundry mat or sitting on my fat ass watching tv all day.

                  You are only given the information relating to the Grocery (in your case "Will my package be labeled sex toys or have Fleshlight written on it")

                  Heres the text you quoted:

                  ''What does the package look like?
                  All orders are shipped in a plain, cardboard box. The shipping label will identify the shipper as "FLI S.L." and will not reference "Fleshlight.com", "Sex Toy" or any other identifying description related to products designed for adults.''

                  ILFs and our contention is that it does not reference Sex Toys/Fleshlights, etc because "rubber sleeve" can only be linked to such things IF THE PERSON ALREADY KNOWS ABOUT THEM.

                  In your post you even said "you dont care if it can be identified or not" That makes you even more confusing and seeming to simply want to have something to get upset about.

                  ILFs statement agrees to what they WILL NOT do which is obviously identify your package as those items listed. Thats where the scope of the statement ends.

                  They could have put unicorn stickers all over my boxes and while I could be pissed about it (damn My Little Ponies!!!) there is nothing in their agreement that specifically states they WONT do that.

                  The only thread you could try to spin is that somehow My Little Ponies stickers would identify me as a sex toy pervert. And if you can link those two things believably, you have a bright BRIGHT future as an Attorney.

                  And Ill need to go kill myself because I don't want to live in a world where such unrelated things can possibly be argued as "like and in the same."


                  http://publicaddress.net/assets/img/2003glory_side_small.jpg


                  Clearly a sex toy. Clearly.
                  Last edited by flyingblind; 12-13-2012, 07:28 PM.

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                  • #24
                    Re: ''Rubber sleeve'', very anonymous.

                    I am looking at the box ILF sent me. It is a plan box. Brown bow with a UPS sticker on it. The box is about 12 feet away from me or just over 4 meters away and I can not read anything on the label even if I tried. I also live alone so I do not have to hide my purchases from anyone. And guess what... UPS leaves them on my front door. I have about 5000 households in my subdivision and at least 1/10 has something delivered every other day. UPS and Fedex is here daily and so is USPS, DHL and other vendors. There are boxes at every other doorstep... so err... do you think people give a rats tail about what is inside those boxes? Not unless they come to the door, pick up the box, read ILF and Rubber Sleeve and then make a calculated guess that it is not some sort of surgical tubing or a car part or a dishwasher/washer/some other appliance part or that its a hose for a vacuum cleaner or a hose for a shower or some other form of household product. By your definition they will read "Rubber Sleeve" and be like ... ohh... Bob has just got sex toys.... how is that even possible? Most common folk really do not care what you get in boxes nor care to look at the boxes. They might glance at a name and walk with the box to your door because it was left at their door by mistake.

                    Here in the states opening other people's mail is a crime but even if it was not... most people are decent enough to not open packages.

                    I would strongly advise anyone facing the same problem to figure these things out before ordering. After all... if you have to hide what you order (whatever it is)... then maybe there is a bigger problem you need to address... like having other people mind their own business and gathering some courage to be a man and stand your ground.

                    Now I have never had to hide anything ever so I may not know what you are going through but even if you do have to hide your purchases... there are dozens and dozens of things you can do on your end as a buyer without ILF to go through additional hoops which they technically are not obligated by any means. Sex toys are shipped in relatively discrete boxes as a courtesy. If you ever paid any attention to retailers in general they always make those lavish boxes which people could care less about. Christmas tree boxes, tv boxes, stereo boxes... all have like $20 worth of paint on them... and as a buyer you look at the product and not the box and you promptly throw the box in the trash without staring at it with adoration.

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                    • #25
                      Re: ''Rubber sleeve'', very anonymous.

                      I strongly disagree with you and in my country this act is illegal.
                      First I could go into the discussion about my privacy, why it is important and why it is a problem, it is a private concern. In this thread 'PLEASE' can we stick to the issue on their information provided.

                      flyingblind, dont you think it would be much more accurate to tell what they do, instead of what they dont.
                      Also this means that they could just state 'BOMB' on it, because they did not write that they would not. Actually they could do a lot of things then like charge you a billion extra, because they did not tell they did not. To hold back information, and telling something which leads in another direction is an unworthy way to make business (unfortunately it happens all the time).

                      ''or any other identifying description ...'' is pretty broad, for you it does not include rubber sleeve, but for me it does.

                      Where is Sarah?

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                      • #26
                        Re: ''Rubber sleeve'', very anonymous.

                        Originally posted by Slim View Post
                        I strongly disagree with you and in my country this act is illegal.
                        First I could go into the discussion about my privacy, why it is important and why it is a problem, it is a private concern. In this thread 'PLEASE' can we stick to the issue on their information provided.

                        flyingblind, dont you think it would be much more accurate to tell what they do, instead of what they dont.
                        Also this means that they could just state 'BOMB' on it, because they did not write that they would not. Actually they could do a lot of things then like charge you a billion extra, because they did not tell they did not. To hold back information, and telling something which leads in another direction is an unworthy way to make business (unfortunately it happens all the time).

                        ''or any other identifying description ...'' is pretty broad, for you it does not include rubber sleeve, but for me it does.

                        Where is Sarah?
                        Claiming such an absurdity that because they don't write they won't write "bomb" on there means they could or will is utterly ridiculous, worse, you know this. Same with the "charge you billions of dollars." It is so much harder to see your side of the argument when you make irrational statements. You shut down those who would seek to understand your side, seriously.

                        How long would the FAQs have to be to meet all the requirements you would have? Pages and pages it appears which would turn you off to reading them which Im assuming youd then blame for why you didn't read them.

                        If, in your country what has been done to you is illegal, I suggest, if you feel it needed, file a complaint. That will bring the gravity of the situation to ILFs attention immediately.

                        But you have a tendency to be a little far reaching in your statements so I do wonder if it is indeed so.

                        Yes, it would be great if they tell in detail what they put on the customs forms. Here's the thing though, how many products is that? And secondly, having done quite a bit of international customs shipping myself, I know its a sliding bar. One day you have to put "rubber sleeve" next it's "rubber insert" or whatever tweak customs wants of you THIS week.

                        The solid part of your argument is that "rubber sleeve" equates to "sex toy." Thousands to HUNDREDS of thousands of customers (plus many persons here)seem to disagree because ILF is still moving tons product with few privacy complaints. And few (have there been any?) privacy lawsuits.

                        And if you were so wounded by this betrayal, why did you post this?

                        "IRRabbit it is not about whether I care that someone can figure out what is inside. For this thread it is more the fact that their information on this issue is pretty misleading."

                        Sometimes we take things a little more personal than they should be. Or our needs are such that we need special care and consideration that in the reasonable course of business a company cannot provide.

                        So you make your own accommodations. Get a PO box. Find a trusted friend. Take the day off from work if its a must. Problems happen all the time, solve them, move on to the next.

                        It's apparent that many people don't equate "rubber sleeve" with "Fleshlight", "sex toy", "pleasure device" or what have you or else ILF would have had to change their labeling long ago (they've sold 5 million of the things IIRC)

                        And, over the next few days Ill even run a real world test for you as I do my weekly shopping. I'll ask for rubber sleeves all over the place and look hard for even a hint of discomfort/unease (to be expected when asking for sexual aides) from the clerks.

                        You are welcome to draw your line in the sand, say this is NOT enough for your privacy needs, and discontinue buying from ILF.

                        All Im trying to get across to you is, your line in the sand is a little further over to the right than most of us bro. You're not wrong for having it fall where it falls (everybodys situation is different) but hopefully you recognize your situation is a little different and maybe you can adjust some for that.

                        Its not that I have some great love for ILF (if you knew me, youd know I really REALLY don't) Its, quite simply, I want you to be included in the "fun" (seems so weird calling it that) if you want to be. Access to all and all that jazz.

                        That may mean a little more work on your part than for most of us. Hell, my first ILF purchase was a 6 week money order ordeal (18 yo and no CCards yet) and they were STELLAR to me even not having a cent of mine until the MO arrived and cleared.

                        I get this sense we've lost you though and talking further really isn't going to bring you any sort of resolution or even ease your agitation a little.

                        I'll still end on this note though. While many people may disagree with you (me included) it is obvious we want you included which is why all the posts here to give you alternatives and other ideas on how to get around any conflicts you have if ILF can't change their policies for whatever reason. (change on a corporate level is MUCH harder than people can possibly understand)

                        There are good people here man. ILF is full of good people too. Things are as they are because this system has worked well thousands of times. I'm sorry you were the exception. I still hope you see that even if you are, nobody knowingly or purposefully wanted to make your life any more difficult.

                        All any of us wanted to do was help. Myself very much included.

                        Peace.

                        FB

                        P.s. Sara likely works 9-5ish M-F CST (Texas time) She'll hit you up sooner than later knowing her.

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                        • #27
                          Re: ''Rubber sleeve'', very anonymous.

                          Originally posted by Xanthan View Post
                          There is a section on International Shipping waaaaay farther down on the FAQ page where it says how the contents will be described to customs.
                          http://www.fleshlight.com/faq-shipping-information/
                          In fact it is the 2nd from the bottom on that page.
                          Xanathan needs proper credit here. Im merely posting it for ease.


                          http://www.fleshlight.com/faq-shipping-information/

                          How will the items be declared in customs?
                          We will declare the actual product value to customs, but name declarations are assigned per the following:
                          Fleshlight sleeves = gel sleeves
                          Fleshlight cases = plastic housing
                          lubricant = water based liquid
                          vibrators = massagers
                          mr. limpys = gel molds

                          It does say "gel" over "rubber" though Id contend gel is even more likely to cause a question than rubber (rubber washers,sleeves,gaskets are in everything these days)

                          Massagers? If I had a really tough privacy situation, I may pass on ordering one of those. Everything else Id have no problem having delivered to even my grandma.

                          (not that I would. I'm making a point)

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                          • #28
                            Re: ''Rubber sleeve'', very anonymous.

                            Where was I? I was asleep! Lol. I work weekdays 9-6 CST so if your posts are outside of that time-frame, I will not see them until the morning when I get back to work.

                            Slim, I'm sorry this was such an issue for you. We understand privacy is important to everyone, and we do try to make sure that it is respected by not putting anything obvious on the box. However, at the same time, we also believe that it is very important to our customers that their package arrive at their place of residence within a reasonable amount of time, without having been detained by customs so they could open and examine its contents. So we put "Rubber Sleeve" on the package to make sure that we are complaint with customs rules and regulations, so that we make sure they absolutely do not detain your package and/or not send it through. I believe that more customers would be unhappy that they did not receive a package at all or if they received it weeks late then they would if it said "rubber sleeve" on the shipping label. If your case is different, you could always take one of the several wonderful suggestions that our other forum members have offered to you through the course of this discussion.


                            Thanks guys for trying to help Slim out!

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                            • #29
                              Re: ''Rubber sleeve'', very anonymous.

                              By asking where is Sarah, I just tried in a nice way to say that I was calling her.

                              Sarah: Fair enough that it says ''Rubber Sleeve'' for the customs, I understand that.

                              What I am asking for, is that you are honest and state that in the Fleshligth information/faq, why is that a problem?

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                              • #30
                                Re: ''Rubber sleeve'', very anonymous.

                                I did use a proxy to view the eu domain for the website and couldn't find anything in the FAQs regarding how items will be declared to customs. So apparently it is on the US site, but not there for eu.

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