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    Sometimes these days I find myself wondering what exactly is gay and what is not? First off I want to say that other than some playing around with a friend when I was about 11 years old, I've never had sex with a man. I've watched tons of porn in my life, but up until about a year ago I had never even really viewed any gay porn. I have had several girlfriends in my life and was even married at one point. During all these relationships I have never even thought about being with a man. But during times when I am single I do have some gay and bisexual fantasies, especially if I am in a really kinky mood. When I am in these kinky moods I often fantasize about sucking a nice big dick and even being fucked in the ass by a nice hard dick. I also enjoy watching cumshots. Seeing a big hard cock shoot hot ribbons of silky cum really turns me on.

    But here is the thing--I never actually fantasize or crave the men these cocks are actually attached to. I just like dicks. These days I will admit I surf gay porn some, but I am very picky about my gay porn. I don't care to see guys kissing or even talking, for that matter. I do not like watching guys suck cock or get facials (for that I would rather it be a hot young chick). I am by no means putting down being gay, I have no problem with it, I am just describing my particular situation. I have never actually looked at a guy and thought "Wow, that guy is hot, I would like to have sex with him."

    I like watching two cocks frotting and cumming on each other and I like watching gay buttfucking, again, if it is just the dicks, balls and asses, no faces. I love watching a big dick going back and forth into an asshole while the bottom dick is flopping around--yes that turns me on sometimes. As I said before, I really like watching dicks squirt and even gay creampies, but I have no desire to watch gay facials or blowjobs...and guys kissing is a total turn off for me....When I do fantasize about being fucked in the ass I usually think of the guy in a mask or something, his identity totally hidden from me. Same with sucking a dick, I often think about gloryholes where I would not know who the guy is. The thought of me buttfucking another guy is not something I have ever even fantasized about. To me, girls' assholes are just the bee's knees!

    I often watch shemale porn, but the shemale has to look like a hot chick and have a nice big dick. I have used dildos since I was a kid but only when I am alone. I have never let a girl stick something inside me. I do not know why I have a problem with that, I just do, I can't help it. But when I am alone and jacking off, I will fuck myself ragged with my dildos.

    I like to think of myself as a pretty open person sexually but obviously I do have some hang ups. I actually consider myself a fully heterosexual man (I absolutely LOVE women!!) but I know that inside I am very bi-curious. However I really doubt I would ever act out on these fantasies even if the chance ever arose. At one point in my life I had the opportunity to have a MMF threeway (me and another dude double teaming a girl) but I could not go through with it.

    I really don't know why I am saying all this, it has just been on my mind lately. I have been single for a couple of years now, no action at all, and I find my porn tastes moving into these areas, whereas a few years ago I would have NEVER watched a gay flick, not in a million years.. I think I just need to get laid!! LOL! As I stated, when I am with a girl these thoughts do not arise, but when I am alone I find myself getting kinkier and kinkier. I now have online chats with guys sometimes now, but I have no desire to get a webcam or even hear their voices. I like my gay or bi fantasies to be totally anonymous, and mostly we just wank together talking about anal sex with women.

    Anyway, that's enough psychoanalysis for me right now---bring on the porn and jacking!!

    So what do you guys think? Am I just crazy or what?

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    That was cool. Thanks for sharing. No, I don't think you're crazy, so that must make you "what".

    You're continuing to explore aspects of your sexuality. You're finding out what you like and what you don't. Many, many people would tell you this is not normal, but unfortunately they're too stupid to know how stupid they are.

    My own thoughts on the matter are that "Being gay is about who you're having sex with, not how you're having sex" and even that isn't black or white. The question asked in the thread title "Exactly what is gay and what is not?" isn't trivial to answer, if it even can be answered, and I'm not going to try. You've expressed what seem to be some gay oriented thoughts. So what? As you've repeatedly indicated that you have not rejected sex with females, that possibly makes you bi-sexual, if labels are what you're looking for. Regardless, you're still Spalector.

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    Labeling actions/thoughts as "gay" or not is totally unnecessary. You are gay if you decide that you want to identify as gay. You are bisexual if you decide that you want to identify as bisexual. You are straight if you decide that you want to identify as straight. Nobody can decide these things for you, least of all society (who is usually the one that puts labels on each action and thought and desire). Remember this - nothing you do is gay unless you want it to be. I think that everyone forgets how fluid sexuality is, and to their detriment. If more guys weren't so terrified of being labeled by someone else as gay, they would probably get more pleasure out of being penetrated anally, but they won't allow themselves to try it because of their homophobia.

    The important thing to remember is that nobody else can define who you are... only you can do that. And by experimenting with what feels good to you sexually, you already are 10000% more comfortable with yourself than most other guys out there, and are probably happier and more satisfied for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarahLIFE View Post
    Labeling actions/thoughts as "gay" or not is totally unnecessary. You are gay if you decide that you want to identify as gay. You are bisexual if you decide that you want to identify as bisexual. You are straight if you decide that you want to identify as straight. Nobody can decide these things for you, least of all society (who is usually the one that puts labels on each action and thought and desire).
    I think labels are necessary. It's the application of judgements that we can do without for some of them. As an example, if I were to touch your cheek with the back of my hand in a gentle way, you could call that a "caress" and it would probably be judged as something nice or sweet. If I were to touch your cheek with the back of my hand that's moving across it rather quickly and forcefully, you could call that "assault" and it would probably result in a criminal charge in your country. It shouldn't surprise you that under certain circumstances, and in other countries, those two actions would be "judged" just as fine as each other. However, with regards to the type of things that Spalector brings up, he seems to be trying to classify them, but for reasons unknown to us (which is fine). If he's trying to determine whether the things he's thinking about, or doing, are "good" or "bad", then he's trying to judge them. If he's trying to identify with a particular definition, he's going to find it isn't always easy to do so, and is probably totally unnecessary. He's sexual, and yet still not crazy.

    I can't say that I understand what you mean when you say something like "You are gay if you decide that you want to identify as gay." Does this mean that one guy can be involved with another guy, in a sexual sense, and then identify as "straight" because that's what he wants to do? If so, what am I missing here? I don't understand that, and I'd like to be able to.

    Society does try and label things, including people, actions, and thoughts. But society also seems to try and apply judgements based on those labels, which is necessary for those doing harm to others, and unnecessary for things such as sexual thoughts and desires (between adults). How many people would try and apply a judgement to you if you were to proclaim "I am a walker!"? There's a label that isn't even worthy of a judgement.

    Quote Originally Posted by SarahLIFE View Post
    Remember this - nothing you do is gay unless you want it to be. I think that everyone forgets how fluid sexuality is, and to their detriment.
    Again, I'm reading this in terms of labeling, and I do think that there are "gay" things. The judgements that some have over such things are what we can do without. You're right about sexual fluidity, and this can be seen everywhere. I often ask myself "Why try and help those who won't help themselves"?

    Quote Originally Posted by SarahLIFE View Post
    If more guys weren't so terrified of being labeled by someone else as gay, they would probably get more pleasure out of being penetrated anally, but they won't allow themselves to try it because of their homophobia.
    Any guy who has a girl (yes, a girl) that would be willing to be a part of penetrating him anally, and he resists due to homophobic concerns, well he should have his testicles revoked. For a guy to allow another guy to penetrate him anally, a lifetime of cultural "standards" and "morals" may need to be addressed. It'd be easier to deprogram a cult member than to try that, unfortunately.

    Quote Originally Posted by SarahLIFE View Post
    The important thing to remember is that nobody else can define who you are... only you can do that. And by experimenting with what feels good to you sexually, you already are 10000% more comfortable with yourself than most other guys out there, and are probably happier and more satisfied for it.
    Have you seen some of Spalector's posts? If he isn't happy, he's a damn fine actor!
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    Labels are how we as a human race understand things. We have this need to categorize things, and we usually categorize things as part of a dichotomy. Someone is either male or female, gay or straight, good or bad, black or white. We often have a hard time comprehending things that are not labeled as being purely one side of the dichotomy or the other.

    But labels in terms of sexuality are not necessary, and I say this because it does not matter whether you are gay or straight. Or whether you like to fantasize about guys and sleep with girls. Or whatever your case may be. Society likes to label people’s sexuality as gay or straight so that they can try to understand a person by fitting them into a box. If you find out that someone is gay, you automatically start putting them into a box of what you think being gay entails. Same with male and female - if you see someone and decide that they’re female, you unconsciously start expecting them to think/act/dress a certain way.

    When we start to question these automatic social assumptions, we get confused. What would happen if you saw a man in a dress? He doesn’t fit our stereotypical idea of what a man should be, so we start trying to fit him into other categories, like gay (because they are supposedly effeminate men) or transsexual (because they can be biological men who wear dresses, though their situation is a lot more complicated than that) or simply crazy. A man in a dress does not fit into our pre-set categories, so it confuses us. 200 years ago, a woman in pants didn’t fit into our idea of normal, either. She was considered an anomaly as well, and look how far we’ve come in accepting women who wear pants today.

    That said, men who have sex with men can still be straight. A label is something that you put on yourself when you accept it as your identity - nobody else can put it on you. Other people will try to label you, but the only thing that matters is what you believe yourself to be. In ancient Greece, men had sex with men all the time, and they were not considered to be homosexuals. It was a common practice that men had with each other, and the system was based off of social rank. Those of higher social rank would always be the penetrators, and those of lower rank would always be the penetrated. But this did not mean that they were gay, because they didn’t identify as such, and they all went home to their wives at the end of the day.

    We as a society have stigmatized who you sleep with so much that we have decided that if you sleep with someone of the same gender, you are a totally different kind of person than if you sleep with someone of the opposite gender. We tend to have different expectations of what a gay man would act like than what a straight man would act like. But this is a relatively new thing, and completely unfounded. In his series The History of Sexuality, Michel Foucault writes about how the idea of men who slept with men changed from a temporary act, a sin that could be repented, to an entire personality type, a whole different “species.” Homosexuality changed from a temporary to a permanent, all-defining thing. We never used to judge people’s entire personhood on who they had sex with, or who they fantasized about. Thus,homosexuality as an IDENTITY is a whole new concept that only started in the last 100 years.

    This is why I say that labels in this case are unnecessary. They are transitory and they carry more social meaning than someone may want to be associated with. You as an outsider CANNOT impose identities on other people. It is up to the individual to tell you one way or the other, and for you to believe and accept them as they say that they are, because it is not up to you to define their personhood for them.


    I view gender and sexuality on a spectrum, rather than as binaries. This is a product of my feminist college training (I was an Anthropology and Women, Gender, and Sexuality double major). It took me a long time to truly understand this, but this is how I see it.

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    male hypothetical you me my bff female

    Most people view male and female as two separate categories that never mix. But I think that everyone lies somewhere along this line, and VERY FEW people lie on the extreme ends (where someone is “purely” male or female). I think that people occupy different positions on this sliding scale, ranging anywhere from “purely male,” to a little of both, to “purely female.” Not only that, but where they land on the scale can change as their life goes on. Same for sexuality, if we are going to define it as an identity.

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    Like gender, people are vary rarely fully on one side or the other. Sexuality is a fluid thing, it is a reaction of brain chemicals. We can be attracted to females yet fantasize about men. Or we can be attracted to men and fantasize about women. Or we can have sex with both and still identify as straight. Everybody exists on this sliding scale of sexuality and it really doesn’t matter where they land, as long as they are comfortable with it themselves. In addition, people will move left and right on the scale as their lives change, and again it doesn’t make a difference to who they are as a person.


    I know that changing society isn’t easy. But the only way to go about it is to point these things out one at a time, so that as everyone share their new-found knowledge, the larger cultural conception changes. Society is made up of individuals, and if enough individuals start to question what society passes down to them, society will change. That’s how it became acceptable for women to wear pants over the years. Enough people started to realize that, hey, it doesn’t matter. People can wear whatever they damn well please. So more and more women wore pants, and now it is common place to see women in pants. This is how society changes - it happens one small step at a time.
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    You guys may be slightly over analyzing things in my opinion lol, jokingly of course. I don't think labels are really all that necessary, just like what you like is what I say. I have always thought about sucking a dick, and taking it in the ass too. Haven't got so far as I masturbate to it, but if I was single and given the chance, I might take it. Only this is I would like anonymity as well, and guys kissing and being, intimate, I should say, turns me off. If anything would ever happen it would be strictly friendly and sexual haha. Believe or not I have never actually taken anything in the ass but I'm thinking I might like it. Just don't know how to start. There are my views anyway! Good input guys.

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    The only thing that bothers me is when one side of the site won't use the other side. I don't like vagina or vulvas but when I use a fleshlight it's not determining my sexuality. There are probably gay guys that won't use FL as much as there are straight guys that won't use FJ but it's really the texture i'm sliding over my penis repeatedly. If I didn't use FL I wouldn't get to use Heavenly or Primal or Mini lotus or lady lager which are all AMAZING sleeves. And guys that won't use FJ are missing out on Paradise and Bliss and Eros and Revel and Scorpio etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarahLIFE View Post

    (A lot of good stuff (not going to repeat it here). Find it. Read it.)
    Wow. Really, wow. This is the kind of thing that makes me have to think about stuff that I consider fundamental, and as to how I can reassess it. Wow.

    I have no doubt that I am a product of my upbringing and the influences that were brought to bear on me. I thought I was doing well so far with what I've managed to shake free from, but I see that I haven't even begun to scratch the surface. Quite depressing really.

    Excellent content (for what it's worth coming from a doofus like me). There's no way that I can say that I understand it all (some of it goes almost totally against what I believe), but it's given me pause for thought.

    Wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GayKzoo22 View Post
    The only thing that bothers me is when one side of the site won't use the other side. I don't like vagina or vulvas but when I use a fleshlight it's not determining my sexuality. There are probably gay guys that won't use FL as much as there are straight guys that won't use FJ but it's really the texture i'm sliding over my penis repeatedly. If I didn't use FL I wouldn't get to use Heavenly or Primal or Mini lotus or lady lager which are all AMAZING sleeves. And guys that won't use FJ are missing out on Paradise and Bliss and Eros and Revel and Scorpio etc...
    If they can't see for themselves how silly that attitude is, at least we can quietly laugh at them and know how much they're missing out on.

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    It's kinda weird to me these days. There is no doubt that I'm surfing a lot of gay porn these days. That's something I would have never done a year ago. I still don't think of myself as gay/bi though, I think maybe it's just the novelty of it--it's just new and different for me. The problem is the "search" for it gets old really fast for me. I simply cannot find enough of the kind of gay porn I like. I just want to see dicks, balls, buttholes and cum! I still have no desire to see the guys' faces, be it kissing, sucking cock, or even talking for that matter. I think I have downloaded every bareback cumshot compilation that there is on the internet. I really like watching those. Just good buttfucking and cumshot creampies. That's all I care to see. I simply still do not find "men" attractive. But I do love looking at cocks--especially when they are nice and big and hard and shooting big loads of cum!!

    I actually jack off to my gay cumpilation vids a lot these days. I fantasize about being butt fucked by a big bull dick and I bet I could give a helluva blowjob. I think I would really like to do that. But how can I separate the man from the cock (figuratively speaking)? Like I said, it is a fantasy. I know deep down in my heart I will never actually have sex with a man, it's just not gonna happen (not that there's anything wrong with it). But in my sexual fantasies I love to dream of being a young twink and being gang banged by a bunch of big thick beautiful cocks, taking load after load of hot cum into my asshole and mouth.

    But usually after I have a gay fantasy, the next day all I can think about is hot chicks. Once I've had a good gay fantasy and I've cum to it, my tastes go back to girls for several days. It's not that I feel guilty or anything, although I would never actually talk to anyone about these feelings. It's just my attentions shift randomly.

    Am I just crazy or what?
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    SLECTOR, you're anything but crazy. there's a different word for it... it's called normal.

    sounds to me you're simply bi. i'm bi as well. i have periods where i primarily like girls. then i might like gay porn for a while and am really into guys. it varies. i guess it could be different for anyone.

    you like men and women. enjoy it i'd say.

    i get a feeling that you're not quite open to accepting that you are bi while you thought you were straight. don't worry about it though, you'll get used to it.

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    Slector, if you don't think you're bi then you're not. Don't let anyone tell you that you are something different than what you believe yourself to be, because YOU are always right about you.

    Being attracted to dicks and fantasizing about them is perfectly normal. Plenty of people have fantasies that weird them out because they never want that to happen in real life, and it is totally ok! Allowing yourself to explore your fantasies, no matter how strange they may seem, shows that you are comfortable with who you are sexually, which is a great thing! Embrace it, don't be embarrassed about it, and run with it whenever the mood strikes.

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    Oh I do, believe me!! It's funny how my attentions change so rapidly. Last two Saturdays I was really into watching cocks. But the last two Sundays I was all into women. This weekend though, it's just been women, specifically hot young blondes!! It's probably because I am doing all this Chastity Lynn porn stuff. That chick just amazes me!!!

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    I just wanted to add to this (great!) discussion that it can work in the other direction. I'm a gay dude, have only had sex with men although I don't have any hang ups on the prospect of having sex with or being attracted to a woman, I'm just not. Women aren't disgusting, but their genitalia just don't interest me, and I don't see them as sexual objects. Being gay it's a bit different because you are the object of your attraction - in my mind women are there to have coffee and go shopping with, they don't have sex. Of course I KNOW that's not right, but as I've never experienced a woman in a sexual situation (or really thought about it too much) that's kind of how they sit in my brain.

    That said, I have watched some bi and straight porn to see what I think about it. One time I found there was a male actor in a TV show that I had the hots for that did porn, so of course I looked up his movies and watched him banging women and... really liked it. I didn't particularly like him kissing the women or watching them suck him off, but watching him go down on a woman and fuck her really got me horny and I was able to wank to it.

    Does this mean I'm bi? I don't really think so, I've never had any motivation to have sex with a woman, but if I did want to I'd do it rather than saying "I'm gay so I therefore don't have sex with women". I think a man can be straight and be interested in dicks - they're a massive source of pleasure for us so why should it be unusual to like looking at them?

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    That's a really good point. I have a lot of straight porn that I find hot. I'm not paying attention to the woman at all. There are many reasons why I watch heterosexual porn sometimes:

    1) Hetero men can be sexy (and in fact many of them in straight porn are). There are many, many hot guys that I would never see naked if I didn't occasionally dabble in hetero-porn-land.

    2) The cum shots seem, on average, to be way hotter. I don't know why. Maybe it's cause gays can't stop having sex constantly so they can't seem to build up their load as much on average...I don't know.

    3) I'm picturing myself having sex with the guy (or multiple guys)

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    4) The idea of straight guys getting together for a sexual episode with other guys involved is really hot. I've seen pornos where multiple guys have sex with one woman simultaneously but contact still occurs and they still find it hot enough to maintain an erection

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarahLIFE View Post
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    Most people view male and female as two separate categories that never mix. But I think that everyone lies somewhere along this line, and VERY FEW people lie on the extreme ends (where someone is “purely” male or female). I think that people occupy different positions on this sliding scale, ranging anywhere from “purely male,” to a little of both, to “purely female.” Not only that, but where they land on the scale can change as their life goes on. Same for sexuality, if we are going to define it as an identity.

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    gay straight

    Like gender, people are vary rarely fully on one side or the other. Sexuality is a fluid thing, it is a reaction of brain chemicals. We can be attracted to females yet fantasize about men. Or we can be attracted to men and fantasize about women. Or we can have sex with both and still identify as straight. Everybody exists on this sliding scale of sexuality and it really doesn’t matter where they land, as long as they are comfortable with it themselves. In addition, people will move left and right on the scale as their lives change, and again it doesn’t make a difference to who they are as a person.


    This scale is exactly what came to mind when I saw this thread... otherwise known as the Kinsey Scale.
    Rating Description
    0 Exclusively heterosexual
    1 Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual
    2 Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual
    3 Equally heterosexual and homosexual
    4 Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual
    5 Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual
    6 Exclusively homosexual
    X Non-sexual

    So it looks like the OP may be a 1 or 2 on the scale.

    Personally, I am probably a 1. I am only interested in having sex with females... and am not interested in male/male porn. That said, I will and have participated in MFM and MFMF where the guys do not touch each other, and I feel some men and certain penis' are visually attractive in art and photography.

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    I'd say I am a 1, leaning on 2. Mostly chick porn, but on often occasion I do get really super kinky horny and I surf a fair amount of gay porn, I do admit it. So in my masturbatory fantasies I probably go all the way to 3..

    I really like using my dildos when I am watching gay porn.

    See, today is a perfect example of how my tastes change--for the last two weeks I have really really really been into hot young blondes (getting assfucked)! I guess mainly because I have been editing together all this porn, just massive amounts of lesbian anal porn!!...just having the time of my life!! Good jacking today! ...Finally today, after two weeks, my mind just suddenly clicked into gay mode. Today I have watched nothing but gay porn. I have had one of the best dildo escapades I have had in a couple of weeks!! Really gettin' off on watching a lot of big dicks, balls, butt holes and cum!!!

    Tonight I will have a nice gay jack off session and then tomorrow my tastes will probably go back to hot young chicks having sweet buttplay, they always do. And I'll stay all horny on hot young gals for a week or two. Then I'll get all gay horny and do it all over again.
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    I'm kind of divided on the question of desire vs action. SLECTOR - I think you're a great example of this. If a man fantasises about men having sex but has no desire to do it, is that same sex desire or isn't it? It's an open question, I genuinely don't know the answer. Compare that to a guy who isn't actually attracted to other men but is willing to be jerked or sucked off by them because it's an easy way to get his rocks off. How does that compare to someone who fantasises about same sex but doesn't have the will to do it? Again, open question.

 

 

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