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    Default Fleshlight = Good

    Honestly, I think the Fleshlight is very good for people under 18 too. It keeps younger people away from real sex and keeps teens away from deadly infections like STI and all that...

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    i agree. too bad they will delete this

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    I agree too.

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    Actually I wont delete it. Expressing an opinion is still legal in this country. We're not allowing discussion of how to assist an underage person in buying a FleshLight, because that's aiding and abetting (sp?). We encourage discussion of opinions about existing laws.

    If we did not allow such discussions, the civil rights movement and womens rights to vote would never have been enacted. Laws change over time with the perceptions of whats moral in society in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FleshJoe
    We encourage discussion of opinions about existing laws.
    On that note, anyone care to link to some .gov or .edu law sites containing any laws that might have something to do with why it seems that it is either illegal for an underage person to buy a sex toy, or for someone to sell a sex toy to an underage person.
    Any laws about "sex toy = obscene = illegal to sell, period" won't do.

    Or does it simply fall under the same laws/common practices that prohibit porn mags/movies (condoms ?) from reaching people under 18 ? In which case reclassifying FL as a therapeutic or educational device (which they already should have to do in some states) would be enough.

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    Sorry, I dont know the answer

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnonCrow
    On that note, anyone care to link to some .gov or .edu law sites containing any laws that might have something to do with why it seems that it is either illegal for an underage person to buy a sex toy, or for someone to sell a sex toy to an underage person.
    Any laws about "sex toy = obscene = illegal to sell, period" won't do.

    Or does it simply fall under the same laws/common practices that prohibit porn mags/movies (condoms ?) from reaching people under 18 ? In which case reclassifying FL as a therapeutic or educational device (which they already should have to do in some states) would be enough.
    Absolutely ANYTHING that is going to encourage a minor to get involved in, or try sex, or the similation of such... is NEVER going to be made legal for a minor no matter WHAT argument you can come up with.

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    He asked what makes it ILLEGAL... if there's one or more statutes that you can be prosecuted under if you do help a minor.

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    Default Some state penal codes

    georgia
    [url]http://www.legis.state.ga.us/cgi-bin/gl_codes_detail.pl?code=16-12-100[/url]
    Chapter 16-12 , Sections 16-12-100 trough 16-12-103

    CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE
    CHAPTER 7.5. OBSCENE MATTER and CHAPTER 7.6. HARMFUL MATTER
    [url]http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=24045815040+1+0+0&WAISaction=re trieve[/url]
    [url]http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=24043114867+1+0+0&WAISaction=re trieve[/url]

    Texas Penal code chapter 43
    § 43.24. SALE, DISTRIBUTION, OR DISPLAY OF HARMFUL
    MATERIAL TO MINOR.
    [url]http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statutes/docs/PE/content/htm/pe.009.00.000043.00.htm#43.24.00[/url]

    Florida
    847.012 Prohibition of sale or other distribution of harmful materials to persons under 18 years of age
    [url]http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0847/ch0847.htm[/url]

    Illinois House Bill 5327
    [url]http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?sessionId=50&GA=94&DocTypeId=HB&DocNu m=5327[/url]

    New York penal code, Article 235 (paste to searchbox: OBSCENITY AND RELATED OFFENSES )
    [url]http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/menugetf.cgi?COMMONQUERY=LAWS[/url]
    Several state laws I skimmed through
    has the following almost work for word:
    6. "Harmful to minors" means that quality of any description or
    representation, in whatever form, of nudity, sexual conduct, sexual
    excitement, or sado-masochistic abuse, when it:
    (a) Considered as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest in sex of
    minors; and
    (b) Is patently offensive to prevailing standards in the adult
    community as a whole with respect to what is suitable material for
    minors; and
    (c) Considered as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic,
    political and scientific value for minors.
    The general consensus seems to be:
    masturbation = sexual conduct = harmful to minors = illegal

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    Thanks so that pretty well puts this one to rest Its definitely safer to consider it illegal to sell FleshLight to minors, so I'll continue to enforce the policy of 'no discussions on how to get a minor access to a FleshLight'.

    Discussions on whether you think this restriction is idiotic are welcome, as before

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    Quote Originally Posted by FleshJoe
    Sorry, I dont know the answer

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    I believe a parent could get one for their own kid, yes?


    In other words, the parents have the legal obligation and right to raise and train their kids... kids on their own just can't go out and do/buy whatever....

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    WAIT WAIT WAIT.

    Ok, back up a minute. So we're saying that my local hospital as well as the birth control clinic here in town handing out condoms to minors is illegal?

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    sorry guys i didn't mean to bring this whole minor problem back to life. I just wanted to know if the free fleshlight rebate thing was real?

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    condoms are not 100% safe... on some occasions they can break...

    Having and using your own Fleshlight IS 100% safe... that's what ILF is all about... providing a safe-sex-alternative...

    theoretically, handing out fleshlights makes more sense than handing out condoms at local clinics.... in fact, the founder of the Fleshlight tried getting the government to OK clinics handing them out....

    But, you know how the government does things.... usually ass-backwards... so that didn't fly....

    ILF DOES hand out SoloSafe in parts of the world that are in dire need of a safe-sex-alternative.... (see their [url]www.ilfworld.com[/url] site)



    but, lines are tricky to draw... I think a good solution would be to let the law guide and let the parents decide... I think it's wrong to take away a parent's right to raise their kids, and I also think it's wrong to just let anyone do whatever they want to their kids.... a balance between these two extremes is surely possible...

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    So, this solo safe is the fleshlight with the non-descript orifice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madman7500
    is this real?
    That was an experiment. I should take that site down.

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    Failed experiment?

    Too bad, no reimbursement for Strike.

    Oh well, guess I'll have to get mine via other ways

    *cough*redirecting blue streaker's packages*cough*

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    SoloSafe is ILF's world-wide product, with attention to their charity and research contributions...

    Fleshlight is their more marketable version to the general buying population...

    But, yes, you are correct, SoloSafe is a non-descript original (smooth interior) with a rather bland color... more medical device than toy...


    I may be wrong, but I don't think you can buy a SoloSafe by that name....

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    I wouldn't want one either

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    i agree with the under 18 thing my sister was knocked up at 16 and i know of guys who were going out having sex at 14 but i think if people under 18 were able to buy sex toys than you would not have as many teenage pregnancys (sp) and the thing of clincs giving out condoms promotes sex rather than says no sex until u can soppurt a kid i dont know i think it would not be a bad thing for kids to have sex toys

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    It's possible that providing sex toys to minors would create the following problems....

    1) Some attribute negative attitudes towards sex toys in general... additional negative attitudes exist from some towards men who use sex toys... these negative attitudes would amplify if they were being provided to minors....

    2) I personally think providing sex toys to minors is an incorrect method of training.. in other words, this is a period of time where a parent is supposed to train their kids how to behave in this area of life... providing minors access to sex toys without parental oversight denies a parent their rights in this training process...

    3) I also personally think that providing sexually oriented materials of any kind to minors skews their point of view... I believe that sex is just a small part of a relationship with another human being... focusing their minds on just the sex part might prevent them from developing the relationship part of it....



    That's where I personally think the SoloSafe could come in.... as a medically approved masterbation device that provides a safe-sex alternate for minors, BUT ONLY with the permission from their parents, as well as perhaps an offer to take classes on relationships... (kinda like the pre-marital counceling some couples take that teaches how to disagree without arguing, etc.)...

    This approach would do the following....

    1) provide a more medicinal look (look at a SoloSafe, you'll agree with me), which helps remove the sex-toy image the Fleshlight obviously carries...

    2) comes with parental approval.. the parent of the minor is involved with this decision...

    3) offers education on relationships... should also remove the sex-toy image, and makes the **masterbation device** as just one tool, and the relationship eductation is the other tool, that combined would help a teen in their new adventure in relationships, and prevent them from getting into the kind of trouble that they may later regret... and help them find the kind of relationships they really want...



    My thoughts are that IF the USA was to ever allow anything like that, it would have to be packaged in a PC-friendly package that would pass legislation and the public would allow...

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    Teenage boys masturbate and have sex, often without parental knowledge, much less consent. I know providing sex toys to minors is illegal or at least questionably legal almost everywhere, but how does it interfere with a parent's right to raise a child? Legalizing sale of sex toys to teens might even help them focus on the emotional aspect of relationships, rather than using relationships only as a means to achieve sexual gratification.

    Why is relationship advice a co-requisite to a masturbation toy? I don't think sex toys as part of a large-scale public health program is viable. Sex toys are too political to be distributed by a well-known government program. I also doubt that any company would offer both relationship classes and sex toys. They're two different markets, and selling sex toys would alienate potential conservative relationship-advice customers.

    I doubt it matters legally or politically whether a fleshlight is ribbed, bumpy, smooth, has a nondescript orifice, or plays jingle bells. As long as it's intended for use on a penis, it's a sex toy and a political lightning rod. You can't try to hide the reality that it's a sex toy while distributing it as a tool to reduce risky sexual behavior. If it's clearly a sex toy/tool and it requires parental consent, why does it matter whether the front looks sexual? The inside is already damned sexual.

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    Very well said, both of you, this is a good glimpse at both sides of the coin that undoubtedly would surface repeatedly if this endeavor were to be taken, which who knows, could be somewhere in the near future.

 

 

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